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HOUCHINS: They rolled, you know, get drunk, and they'd roll and everything else, you know.  That's the way they worked down there.  Take their money they'd worked hard for.
   ALEX.: Yeah.  It wasn't easy come but that way it was easy go, wasn't it?
HOUCHINS: It was easy go all right.  Some of them, you know, had a big steak and they'd stay in camp for six months, nine months, and maybe a year, you know, before they come out.  Had a pretty good stake on 'em, you know, wouldn't they?
   ALEX.: Yeah.
HOUCHINS: Draw it up, you know.
   ALEX.: Have a good bit of money.
HOUCHINS: It didn't count up very fast a month, you know, a dollar and a half a day, you know, and it counted up pretty slow in a way, you know.
   ALEX.: Yeah, yeah.
HOUCHINS: Take those extra months and make pretty good stakes too, you know.
   ALEX.: Yeah.
HOUCHINS: It was sure wild times when we were there and that’s no maybe.  Yes, sir.  The railroad come up for logs down there in a landing down here, you know, and go on down that steep hill over here, you know.
   ALEX.: Yes, uh huh.
HOUCHINS: They put that David Moore's, uh.
   ALEX.: Yeah.
HOUCHINS: I don't know how many he’d that skided logs there in that place.  Railroads pick 'em up there, you know, a up from Hosterman, you know, up the hollow there, you know.
   ALEX.:  Uh huh.
HOUCHINS:  Picked them up.
   ALEX.:  When was, when was that?  How long ago?  What year?
HOUCHINS:  Uh, let's see.  I think it was 1918, I guess 1919.
   ALEX.:  Uh huh.
HOUCHINS:  Before I rode that road.
   ALEX.:  Oh, yeah.
HOUCHINS:  There are cabins back in the foot of the mountain, over here, across here.  Mr. Curry's over there.
   ALEX.:  Oh, yeah.  Did they have a, some kind of a lime works or something down here?  I see some old ___.
HOUCHINS:  They used to burn lime down the rock.  Limestone.
   ALEX.:  What did they do?  I don't know a thing about that.  Tell me about it.
HOUCHINS:  Well, that there lime, you know, is put on the ground.   That sweetens your soil.
   ALEX.:  Yeah, I understand that.
HOUCHINS:  And they burn the lime and then sell it to the farmers, you know, so much a ton.
   ALEX.:  Uh huh.
HOUCHINS:  And then he spreads it over his ground, you know.  Why, you can grow anything when you put that on there.
   ALEX.:  Oh, yeah.  Now that, did he get the lime right there out of that limestone?
HOUCHINS:  Yeah, right there at it, you know.
   ALEX.:  When was that?
HOUCHINS:  Huh?
   ALEX.:  When was that?  How long ago?
HOUCHINS:  Well, let's see.  That was along, that was along about 19 and 20, I think that was.
   ALEX.:  How long did it go on?
HOUCHINS:  Oh, it run about a year in all.  It didn't charge enough, and you couldn't make no money and they had to shut it down.
   ALEX.:  Oh, yeah.  You remember the company?
HOUCHINS:  Well, it wasn't no company.
   ALEX.:  Yeah.
HOUCHINS:  Bobby Heffner was a, was the one that closed up there, you know.
       *:  Bob Heffner.
   ALEX.:  Heffner. 
       *:  Oh, yeah.
HOUCHINS:  He used to live down here and they moved to Pennsylvania and he died up there.
   ALEX.:  I see.
HOUCHINS:  Yeah.  Yeah, I've got millions of tons of that lime.
   ALEX.:  Oh, yeah?
HOUCHINS:  Ninety-eight percent.
   ALEX.:  Yeah?  You've got a lot of limestone on this property here.
HOUCHINS:  I mean on my own this land.
   ALEX.:  Oh, yeah.
HOUCHINS:  Ninety-eight, you know, there's a world of it.  Millions and millions of tons of it.
   ALEX.:  Yeah.
HOUCHINS:  It'll be worth something someday and time.
   ALEX.:  Yeah.
HOUCHINS:  It will be operated on someday and time.  Coming.
   ALEX.:  Sure, sure.
HOUCHINS:  Farmers have got to have that lime to sweeten the soil.
   ALEX.:  That's right. 
HOUCHINS:  That's no joke.
   ALEX.:  Yeah, I put, uh, I put twenty-five tons on my ten acre.
HOUCHINS:  You did?
   ALEX.:  Yeah.  Last year.
HOUCHINS:  Well, I'll be dogged.
   ALEX.:  Twenty-five tons.
HOUCHINS:  Ground lime or burned lime?
   ALEX.:  It was ground lime.
HOUCHINS:  Ground lime, was it?
   ALEX.:  Uh huh.  They spread it out of a truck.  They drove up in the field an drove it down through the field.
HOUCHINS:  Yeah, that's the way they do here.
   ALEX.:  Yeah. 
HOUCHINS:  The old truck spreads it, you know.
   ALEX.:  Twenty-five tons.
HOUCHINS:  Twenty-five tons.  That's a lot of lime.  Can you get it close to your place or . . .
   ALEX.:  Yeah, I have to get it about, uh, uh, I get it over in Hamlin, West Virginia, and I have to bring it to Hurricane.  They have to haul it about forty miles.
HOUCHINS:  Uh huh.
   ALEX.:  To get it to there.
HOUCHINS:  Do?
   ALEX.:  Yeah.
HOUCHINS:  Oh, I see.  You don't live in the city do you, it's alone or outside?
   ALEX.:  Well, we live in the city and we have a farm out in the country.
HOUCHINS:  Out?
   ALEX.:  Yes, we do.
HOUCHINS:  I want to tell you, this boy was making wood.  Well, his father used to police at Durbin, ____, ____.  Well, up here at Thornwood where I was telling you about that mill you know . . .
   ALEX.:  Yes, sir.
HOUCHINS:  They had a bunch of Italians, you know, maybe a dozen or something.  Well, they done the grading of the railroad.
   ALEX.:  Uh huh.
HOUCHINS:  This is on payday, and this boy's daddy put a box of dynamite under their shanty and killed them all.  Blowed 'em up.
   ALEX.:  Is that right?
HOUCHINS:  And the way it come, you know, he left here and went to Oklahoma.
   ALEX.:  Uh huh.
HOUCHINS:  And on his deathbed, he confessed to it.
   ALEX.:  When he was dying?
HOUCHINS:  Yes, before he died.  The Lord wouldn't let him die until he . . .
   ALEX.:  Cleared his conscience.
HOUCHINS:  Huh?
   ALEX.:  He wanted to clear his conscience.
HOUCHINS:  That's right.  He couldn't die if he didn't do it.
   ALEX.:  Yeah.  Yeah.
HOUCHINS:  Now that's true.
   ALEX.:  What was his name?  The boy's name.
HOUCHINS:  Nacome.  Nacome.  Nacome.  Woods.
   ALEX.:  Nacome Woods.  Yeah.
HOUCHINS:  He was up in my age.  He helped us in a lot.
   ALEX.:  Yeah.
HOUCHINS:  We had a big trade, and . . . so I just thought I'd tell you that.
   ALEX.:  Oh, yeah.  Yeah, that's . . .
HOUCHINS:  Things you know, come and go.
   ALEX.:  Yes, sir, they do.
HOUCHINS:  Yeah, now's . . . I thought I'd tell you that while it's on my mind.  You give it back over there.  Houstions.
   ALEX.:  Houstions.  What's his middle name?
HOUCHINS:  Clay Thomas.
   ALEX.:  And he's working there now?
HOUCHINS:  Yeah.  Oh, yeah.  He was up there a week or two ago.
   ALEX.:  Oh, yeah.  How long has he worked there?
HOUCHINS:  I think thirty-seven years.
   ALEX.:  All right.  You ask him next time he comes you knew John McCormick.
HOUCHINS:  Okay, I will.
   ALEX.:  Say, "Big John" McCormick.
HOUCHINS:  Big John.
   ALEX.:  He retired in about 19, uh, sixty, about 1960, when did he retire, Jackie?
  Jackie:  Let me think.  Nineteen sixties.  He worked there for twenty-five years.  Twenty-six.
    ALEX:  I bet he would know him.
  Jackie:  He was a pipefitter.
HOUCHINS:  Clay has five or six hundred, you know, he looks after.  He's bound to be in the bunch.
   ALEX.:  Yeah, sure.
HOUCHINS:  I'll ask him the next time he comes up.
   ALEX.:  John McCormick.
HOUCHINS:  John McCormick.
   ALEX.:  Yes, sir.  He'll know him.  He was a big man.  He had a  ____.
HOUCHINS:  Richard Eye.
   ALEX.:  Richard Eye.
HOUCHINS:  He was an old fellow up there, and he was runnin' on that green ____ bumpin' them all up there while the assistant      foreman was on vacation.  Richard Eye, he must be, he's up in his seventies.
   ALEX.:  Is he?
HOUCHINS:  He went in about ____ and just whipped a young man about fifteen or sixteen.
   ALEX.:  Yeah.
HOUCHINS:  And uh, he knows about that town.  He's forgotten more than he knows.
   ALEX.:  Oh, yes.
HOUCHINS:  That old man.  I know he can take anything.
   ALEX.:  Where's he live?
HOUCHINS:  Uh, he lives over here in this Hevener place.  Over here in the Howard Hevener place back.
   ALEX.:  Where?
HOUCHINS:  There on the other side of Boyer.
   ALEX.:  Oh, yeah.  Okay, I know where that is.
HOUCHINS:  Huh?
   ALEX.:  Yeah.
HOUCHINS:  I cut logs in the pulp plant.  I think Gail.
   ALEX.:  Yeah.
HOUCHINS:  Seems to me like they had a rock machine there.  Split most of it, too.
   ALEX.:  Uh huh.
HOUCHINS:  Big blocks, you know, they split 'em so they could handle 'em and put 'em cars.
   ALEX.:  Oh, yeah.
HOUCHINS:  Ship 'em.
   ALEX.:  Yeah.  Yeah.  Yeah.  Let's go Jackie.
 
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   ALEX.:  We'll ____ and play and record.  Testing.  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0.  Testing.  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0.
HOUCHINS:  It was around about, it was around about 1900, 1906, maybe 11.  Nineteen eleven.  I'd say an old cement building, old        rock house.  Hey, when I remember that it had a skating rink in it.
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HOUCHINS:  Well, it belonged to, I can't think of his name now in Charleston.  Some of Claude ____ people.  It had a skating rink there.  It was an old opera house.  It had a balcony all the way around.  I guess it's still there.  Have you been down by there yet?
   ALEX.:  No.  No.
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   ALEX.:  What the, you don't remember the name that's there now, do you?
HOUCHINS:  Indeed I don't.
       *:  Dwight?
       *:  I was going to say now, that name sounds familiar to me.
   ALEX.:  You're from, you're from the Comer, Cutter, Comer?  Are you . . .
HOUCHINS:  Certainly glad to meet you.
   ALEX.:  You, you remember, uh, ____?  Dark-headed boy?  His mother works at the dollar store.
HOUCHINS:  The dollar store.
   ALEX.:  Cludder.  Cludder.
HOUCHINS:  Doc Cludder?
   ALEX.:  Uh huh.  They're supposed to get me an interview with, uh, is the grandfather, is that young man's grandfather living about eighty some?
HOUCHINS:  Yes.  He was living year before last.  If he's still living, I don't know.
   ALEX.:  Yeah, well, he better talk to me about getting an interview with him.  You work in the grocery business here?
HOUCHINS:  Yes.  Yes, sir.  I'm starin' in ____.  I've put about four of them out of business.  Sold 'em out, you know, more than they had.
   ALEX.:  Yeah.  Yeah.
HOUCHINS:  When I started out, I had a box building up there.  You know what a box building is.  Just a single boards.  The cracks was stripped.
   ALEX.:  Yeah.
HOUCHINS:  He was an old warehouse ____ for a logging concern.  Used to come, ride down here ____ before the railroad nineteen         fifty ____ 1900.  The railroad first came here in 1901.
   ALEX.:  Yeah.  What your age?
HOUCHINS:  Well, sir, make a guess.
   ALEX.:  I'd say about, uh, you must be approaching sixty.
HOUCHINS:  Sixty.  Thanks for the compliment.
       *:  Huh?
       *:  That's my daughter over there.